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Daniel V. Gaglio's avatar

Love Liza's work. I've been following her on YouTube for a while now

Rachel Haywire's avatar

She continues to impress me daily. Hope you enjoyed the show.

Noah Otte's avatar

Here are some titles I feel like the cast and subscribers of the Invisible Front would enjoy reading:

* A Renegade History of the United States by Thaddeus Russell

* Savior and Seducer: A Renegade History of the United States in the World by Thaddeus Russell

* The New Philistines by Sohrab Ahmari

* The Language Police: How Pressure Groups Restrict What Students Learn by Diane Ravitch

* The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity by Douglas Murray

* The Parasitic Mind: How Infectious Ideas Are Killing Common Sense by Gad Saad

* Cynical Theories: How Activist Scholarship Made Everything About Race, Gender, and Identity - and Why This Harms Everybody by Helen Pluckrose & James Lindsay

* The Identity Trap: A Story of Ideas and Power in Our Time by Yascha Mounk

* Left Is Not Woke by Susan Neiman

* We Have Never Been Woke: The Cultural Contradictions of a New Elite by Musa al-Gharbi

* Summer of Our Discontent: The Age of Certainty and the Demise of Discourse by Thomas Chatterton Williams

* The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America by Coleman Hughes

* The Diversity Delusion: How Race and Gender Pandering Corrupt the University and Undermine Our Culture by Heather MacDonald

* Woke Racism: How a New Religion Has Betrayed Black America by John McWhorter

* Pirate Enlightenment, or the Real Libertalia by David Graeber

* The Republic of Pirates: Being the True and Surprising Story of the Caribbean Pirates and the Man Who Brought Them Down by Colin Woodard

Noah Otte's avatar

My apologies Rachel, I know I’m very late to the party on this post, but I listened to this podcast awhile back but never got the chance to write a response to it as I was so busy in my personal life. I am a longtime fan and subscriber of Liza’s. I unfortunately remember well when the incident discussed in this episode happened because I had a front row seat for it. I was on Substack that day when I saw that Liza was trending and that all these people were going after her with a vengeance. This mob never addressed any of her actual ideas it was just insults, personal attacks, ad hominems, nasty jokes, or just cussing at her. I was shocked at how nasty and personal the attacks on her were. A feral mob of liberal and leftist men as well as third parties who jumped in without really understanding the situation, went after Liza in a firestorm of anger and vitriol like nothing I’d ever seen before on Substack. This all started because two random writers on Substack were talking smack about Liza behind her back and started a hate chain about her. Liza responded by publicly calling them out. They then proceeded to delete what they wrote and run away with their tail in between their legs like cowards. Liza the next day wrote an article defending herself from their attacks and putting these bullies in their place. The article is what triggered the angry mob. The article itself was derided as “cringe”, declared Liza “having a meltdown” and “embarrassing herself” and that she was basically doing the equivalent of throwing a temper tantrum. This is NOT what she was doing! Liza was standing up for herself and putting these bullies in their place. She was also making a larger point about how online discourse has devolved to such a level that all people do is shout insults at each other. They can’t even make actual arguments.

Needless to say they proved her point more eloquently than words ever could, with their behavior. Literature has turned into a political project. Sadly, it is nowadays all about using classic works of literature as vehicles to talk about things like the class struggle or identity politics and to push leftist ideology. It no longer matters what the author intended the message of the book to be when they wrote it. Also, the universal moral messages contained within these classics is totally lost on people in favor of the particular, as Liza calls it. Literature itself has become formulaic, bland, sterile, politically correct, and is all written and formatted the same way. There are also stringent criteria that literary agents demand that writers follow. You’re only allowed to write so many words, you have to get to the main conflict of the story right away, you can only have a certain number of characters, you can’t use flowery language, it has to be so dumbed down a third grader could understand it, etc. Not to mention the prevalence of sensitivity readers and the capture of the literary field and academia by liberals, progressives and leftists. But the right doesn’t help matters either, they are outright advocating for the Humanities to be abandoned altogether and the Trump administration and the GOP have slashed Humanities departments at colleges big time. Both the left and the right are fond of censorship of literature via book bans. The left ban books that contain language or themes that are not up to present day standards or are regarded as offensive to modern day sensibilities. The right bans books with sexual content, that have LGBTQ+ content of any kind, discuss the sins of America’s past, or that discuss racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. Needless to say, this is NOT a good time to be a writer or a reader!

Rachel Haywire's avatar

I’m glad you saw what was going on too. From my perspective it seemed like it a was mostly rightwing men were competing with her like we discussed on the podcast, but you’re saying even leftist men joined in the hate pile which demonstrates even more of the resentment that Liza was talking about.

The reason she is winning is because she tells the truth about literature and doesn’t see all of this as a game of competition. She wants everyone to succeed who is writing worthwhile work. Literature needs a classical renaissance.

Robert Nichols's avatar

@seanthorconroe deep vellum…